Ecclestone believes teams can run “cheap” engines in 2017

Bernie Ecclestone says that F1 engine options for 2017 remain open, despite Toto Wolff stating last weekend that all four current manufacturers want to keep a version of the current V6 for any new 1000bhp rules.

Ecclestone had been talking about a V8/KERS package, and that remains on the table as a cheaper option for struggling teams. There have also been suggestions that a ‘budget’ twin-turbo V6 with KERS could be made available to teams as a possible alternative.

In either case the idea is that these low-cost customer engines would run alongside their works counterparts. In other words we could have something like half the grid using the budget engines (assuming the likes of Williams and Haas stick their regular deals). It brings up the difficult question of how the FIA would ensure some form of parity.

“It depends what we’re going to do,” Ecclestone told this writer. “Toto does a lot of talking, but no action, if you know what I mean. It’s no good talking about, ‘This is what I’d like.’ They are one team.

“I never wanted to go back to V8s, I wanted to set up a single engine to be in F1, which they could run for let’s say 10% of what these manufacturers spend. It would be a different regulation, which would be cheaper. If the manufacturers then decide this would be a good thing, then that’s OK. Or if they want to supply [current] engines at a realistic price to the teams, then good.”

Asked about how two types of engine could compete in parallel he said: “We used to run turbos with normally aspirated engines before. You can do either.”

How the likes of Mercedes or Ferrari would react if they face stiff competition from a good team equipped with a ‘budget’ engine remains to be seen.

Meanwhile the discussions could also be seen as a way of putting pressure on the manufacturers to lower the prices for the current engines. Costs went up considerably in the move from V8s to the hybrid last year, and midfield teams feel that they are funding the R&D of the works operations.

“You never have everybody happy. At the moment they are doing a very good R&D project supporting by the teams that are paying. That engine will never be used in any car or a boat or anything. It was never designed to do that. Just the regulations were put out, the engineers got hold of it, and said this is what they can do. They’ve done a super job, but it has to be cheaper.”

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5 responses to “Ecclestone believes teams can run “cheap” engines in 2017

  1. Gilles

    Hey Bernie, the teams will supply engines at realistic prices when you start charging promoters realistic prices for an F1 race.

  2. Stone the crows

    If past experience serves at all, it teaches that there’s nothing quite so expensive as Formula One when the management tries to save money. Of course, knowing Bernie’s modus operandi this is a ploy to get the power unit suppliers to some other middle ground that resides in Bernie’s mind. It would be interesting to have V8’s back in the mix, yet its certain the suppliers don’t want to go back to that given how much they’ve invested in the turbo V6’s thus far. The ax man is up to something…

  3. Ian

    Why can’t the FIA subsidise customer teams’ engines deals past a certain cutoff point in the standings? That way everyone gets current engines, the smaller teams get some real budgetary help and the engine manufacturers don’t feel done over. Just a thought!

  4. LRM

    Dumb idea. Find an engine format that works for everyone. Anything else is a big bandaid on a smelly, oozing, pus filled, wound.

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